First off, sorry about the long break. I just moved back to Vegas and I’ve been busy looking for work and partying with friends I haven’t seen in a few years. As a result I haven’t been playing much and just started doing 25 man raids this week, so I haven’t had much to write about.
So apparently someone at blizzard got fed up with people that suck at moving and he put this fight in to punish them. Now, there are lots of fights where movement is important and as a raid leader you come to dread those fights, because there is always going to be someone who hasn’t mastered the WASD keys despite years of gaming. And forget complex movement like strafing, jumping, or kiting. But Heigan adds a little twist that I find hilarious, which I’ll get to in a second.
So on my first night back doing 25 mans, we cleared the spider and plague wings and I got to do Heigan for the second time. I downed him on 10 man a couple of weeks ago. Being capable of walking and breathing at the same time, it took me one attempt to get the dance down and it was cake from that point on. Other people… not so much.
And that’s when I discovered what makes this fight awesome. There’s no enrage timer and damage is so light that you can stay in the fight with 3 or 4 healers as long as you have some way to keep the disease under control. So it’s like survival of the fittest. All of the movement impaired die in the first phase 2, or the second if they manage to stumble their way through the first one. Then they all have to sit there dead and watch their betters finish the fight.
You’d think this fight would piss me off with all the failure, but it makes me laugh instead.
21 responses so far ↓
1 nonelitistraider // Dec 22, 2008 at 6:34 pm
You know what is awesome though? Having not a totally fail player simply NOT get the hang of this. Just… cant grok it. And BLAM one day we get the 10man safety dance achievement. WTH? How did his brain suddenly change? Light switch? Something. I thought WOW maybe he’s improved. But no. 25man back to dying in the first wave of green goo.
Sometimes progression isnt. We are both stumped as to how to fix this.
Oh yeah, and everyone DONT PUT YOURSELF ON FOLLOW (epic failzors right there, admittedly it’s amusing to deliberately kill someone who put themselves on follow on YOU… they didn’t do THAT again)
2 Meugly // Dec 23, 2008 at 1:01 am
You can dance if you want to. You can leave your friends behind. Because your friends don’t dance and if they don’t dance, well…
Everybody points and laughs!
3 Jonny // Dec 23, 2008 at 1:17 am
LOL you actually had people put each other on follow? How fail is that! I mean really you move like 3 times in one direction 4 times the next and boom done. I find it hilarious that someone would even think up that idea.
4 Excedo // Dec 28, 2008 at 7:22 pm
I noticed that the people who fails at the Heigan dance also dies alot on the blobs after Patchwerk as well. I guess it’s a sign of minor retardation or something
5 Dwain // Dec 29, 2008 at 12:13 am
I was just thinking, “haven’t been to angry raid leader in a while, I want to see if he’s spewing about Heigen yet!!” and like always you delivered!
I don’t understand how people don’t understand it. I wasn’t around for naxx at 60 but after I died the first time I learned it. Haven’t even taken a hit from it since! It appears to be the same people dying as the ones would stand in that funny green stuff during Supremus for 3 seconds, etc etc.
Failtown.
6 Vaer // Dec 29, 2008 at 11:55 am
In my guild we have a contest of who can teabag the people who died right off the bat., just hit “x” to sit on them as you run by in the dance phase. As the tank my best was 14 teabags on a kill that consisted of me, a resto druid and the other tank with everyone else dead.
7 Ven // Dec 29, 2008 at 5:30 pm
This is somewhat amazing. Mr. ARL’s message is quite understandable. A tad haughty, but understandable in terms of the work he has done and the contempt he feels for those who are not able to cut it.
Its the repliers that are amazing:
“Having not a totally fail player simply NOT get the hang of this. Just… cant grok it. ”
What language is that?
“I mean really you move like 3 times”
Do you really mean soemthing? Do you move three times or do you move “like” three times?
“we have a contest of who can teabag the people ” You WHAT?
Ok, Mr. ARL has a point. The repliers need to realize that they are pre-pubescant adolescents who condescend on those who are not geek and nerd enough to spend many hours in a room playing with computer friends they way they do.
If you’re going to do something, do it as well as you can. If you are “like” going to do something, just shut up.
~V
8 nordor // Dec 31, 2008 at 11:21 am
@ven
I’m sorry man but this has nothing to do with being a geek or how much time you spend online, they DO have a point. If you cant do the heigan dance after seeing it once your a fucking idiot. Not trying to be an elitist, but its just THAT easy
Any questions?
9 Fain // Jan 1, 2009 at 4:29 pm
I had a fair bit of trouble with Heigan at first too, but once I’d seen the fight enough times to have the sections mapped out mentally I was fine.
We had something like a 30-minute Heigan with just the MT and a healer alive… it was extremely painful.
10 Takka // Jan 2, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I have done this fight on heroic Naxx with everyone except 2 paladin healers and 1 paladin tank dying within the first 2 dances. We all removed our own diseases and nearly 30 minutes later, Heigan was down.
11 nonelitistraider // Jan 4, 2009 at 10:00 pm
@Mr Ven
ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!
Got your intertubes speak alarm going off?
Grok is a term first coined by Heinlein in “stranger in a strange land” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok)
It means to really get something, to fundamentally understand it, to drink it in. So my sentence merely stated that a player, who isn’t terrible, cant do the dance. We dont know why. He just doesnt grok it, and I dont grok what the issue is (cos I grok heigan)
L2Read Lichracha or even eat some books. Maybe if you put the books under your pillow you could use osmosis to learn some of their contents without all that time consuming reading!
Also, don’t assume, because it makes you look like a dick. Last I looked, I was neither pre-pubescent nor adolescent.
BTW Mr Ven, you have no point. GTFO.
12 Nekro // Jan 6, 2009 at 9:31 pm
So torn…. I have a teenager, so I like soooo know how like that “like” thing is like, soooo annoying? But then, I’m also a big fan of Heinlein, and I totally grokked the use of “grok”…. Who to side with?
13 Nekro // Jan 6, 2009 at 9:32 pm
AND…. I managed that without using a LOL!!!
14 Vir // Jan 8, 2009 at 9:43 am
The best part is, there is an achievement if you can defeat him without anyone in the raid dying.
So, not only do the people with dialup and auto-attack mapped to 1 have to sit and watch their raid dance for the whole fight, but they have the rest of the raid mad at them for blowing the achievement.
Nothing like a little social pressure to inspire someone to improve.
15 nonelitistraider // Jan 11, 2009 at 4:49 pm
@nekro
That’s an easy decision. SIDE WITH ME! I only used a choice selection of deliberately confusing terms for my target audience AND I, like, totally didn’t use like… like? (I don’t like the valley girl nomenclature either but I grok that it is a replacement for umming and ahing)
And yeah, Heigan dance sorts out the low hanging fruit. *mutters something about idiots in 25s*
But there is hope for those fruit… get enough HP on you and you can be healed through your stuff ups if your healers are good enough. Which kinda makes me a bit sad. Wish it were a wipe mechanism
16 Magistania // Jan 12, 2009 at 10:20 am
I´m a RL and I was at Heigan with my guild last Friday.
We had one warrior tank in the raid who didnt know the fight.
In front of everyone else I told him that “you are going to die now and because I don`t want you to die stupid, I´m gonna tell you why”.
So after I showed him this: http://www.theorderls.com/belt/wm/wow/heigan.html and explained him how to do it, I said: “If you survive the fight I pay you 50 Gold!!”
OK, guess what happened!!! He died? NO! of course not!!
I lost my bet because my healers made a secret agreement behind my back to give him overheal!
Damn!
17 Alex // Jan 13, 2009 at 2:49 am
It’s a fun fight, but no time to lag!
18 Oriniwen // Jan 14, 2009 at 9:42 am
It does in some way punish people who don’t have incredibly fast internet connection. However, when I see normally competant people be killed by the lava waves, I can figure out for myself it was likely due to lag.
However, when I see someone who is typically using “lag” as an excuse as to why they didnt get X, Y or Z spell off at the right time and so caused a wipe get the dance right the first time and every time - I call bullshit.
19 Dancken // Jan 15, 2009 at 3:38 am
Really, dying on Heigan I never understood how it was possible. Sure I play in a pretty good guild with a minimal number of retards.
But still I play a Rogue and I disconnected during Heigan p1. I was dissconnected for about 5 mins, when I came back on Heigan was dead but I wasnt. I asked my guild how I stayed alive? They just healed through the dmg. So even if you take 1 or 5 hits from the lava you really shouldnt die, unless your healers cant be arsed to throw you a heal every now and then.
20 Flour // Jan 18, 2009 at 7:45 pm
/poke. Listen up, you! You start a brilliant blog, put everyone in a tizzy and then go afk. /gkick!
Come the hell back and give me something to read or at least some damn closure! <3
21 Jirschi // Jan 20, 2009 at 4:59 am
i can just follow the above comment, why did you stop blogging? Nothing to write about? I am very sad that this side is going down and i cant read some amusing blog entries from you.
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